Dean Niebuhr: We'll talk about entrepreneurial leadership. How do you see that different from corporate leadership? Or do you?

Tom Herman: I don't know that it's necessarily different in so far as the role of a leader is very much to inspire people to do great things in the office and be productive and to grow and to learn but also to lead balanced lives and being able to set up an environment that is organized and disciplined enough so that people can, if their children are sick, take time outside the office. Or if opportunities come up, they can take advantage of opportunities that allow them to grow and develop themselves and not be so bogged down in crisis management that you don't have time to do the other things in life. Covy talks about, in his books about the habits of highly successful people, about the different quadrants. A lot of people spend their time in that first quadrant, always putting out fires, but trying to get into the second quadrant where you're able to get stuff done ahead of time and anticipate the things that are coming down the road from a business perspective allows you to help your employees to grow and develop and take advantage of opportunities and take care of things at home that need to be taken care of. Now as far as my daughter's concerned, she's a ham and she knows that I leave on a regular basis and she doesn't always give me that kind of grief when I walk out. But the camera was there at that one moment and usually, for me anyway, the camera didn't come into my personal life, but the filmmakers begged to get her on film.

Dean Niebuhr: She did very well.

Tom Herman: She's cute. That's my unbiased opinion.